Dennis Alstrand is our most experienced writer at Singing Bassist. He has graciously contributed a video which complements his article about how he plays bass-guitar and sings.. The full video is located in the Subscribers’ Section. What follows is an excerpt from that video and a biographical interview with Dennis.

1. What was the first musical instrument you played?
   I played the piano first, starting at around 8 years old. I suggest all bass players learn to play one of the melodic instruments and piano is probably the best. You get a much more rounded view of playing music than from just playing bass. I think you have to know music, chords. I used to be dumfounded when, say, a guitar player would tell me the chords of a song just saying “It’s A D B E” and I would say “major or minor?” They would say “It doesn’t matter, you’re just the bass player”. But I’m just the bass player who knows that I’ll play different notes depending on whether it’s minor or major. I get irritated just thinking about those jerks.
2. when did you first pick up a bass-guitar?
   In the video I made for your site, I incorrectly said I’ve been playing bass for 30 years. But I got my first bass in 1969 when I was 14. I think I skipped a decade and it was probably the 80s that I skipped. It was a red hollow body Kent bass with a sort of violin shape. I wish I still had that beloved old bass.
3. Why did you play with fingers first and then with pick?
   Because the bass player idols for me in those days were Jack Bruce and Billy Cox from the Band of Gypsies. And it seemed that most bass players I would go and see at the Fillmore or whereever played with their fingers. It seemed natural. But it wasn’t long, just a year or two, before I was using a pick as well (thanks Chris Squire).
4. Do you prefer fingers or pick and why?
   I play both ways now. I like the subtle nuances of playing with fingers. There is so much you can do. If you pull up on the string in the normal style, you get one sound. If you turn your index finger to the side and play off the side of your finger you can get a string bass sound especially if you pluck away from the bridge a ways. Then sometimes if the night is long I’ll try different things that I think are awesome but no one notices. One is to play all four strings with a different finger. Index on the low E and on down. It really gives my pinky a workout. The pick is used more for when I’m outnumbered soundwise by the guitar and need to get louder. Or when I want to play more precisely, aka Chris Squire basslines. Or, finally, if I grow blisters on my fingers and they break and it finally gets too uncomfortable, then it’s back to the pick. One problem I had for years was that I would get excited and play too hard with my fingers and my wrist would start to lock up after a few hours.
5. Who are your favorite singing bassists?
   Jack Bruce, Paul McCartney, Greg Lake. Jack Bruce is an amazing bass player/singer; I’ve never seen anyone that good. Well, maybe Greg Lake. He was incredible too. He can’t sing no mo’. Paul McCartney is funny. He was and is one of my bass playing idols but if you watch him he used to have these weird habits. Not any more but I don’t see how he played SO damn good back in the 60s. Watch the mimed performance of I Am the Walrus. His fingers keep looking like they’re going to trip over each other. Maybe I should give him this: I’ll bet a lot of money he was seriously stoned when they filmed that. I will never knock him; he was THE FIRST singing bass player in the pop world. He was the guy who made it cool to sing and play bass: heck to play bass in the first place. It was him that generated bass sales. I remember going into a guitar shop in the mid 60s and there was always a lot of guitars and just one bass hanging on the wall. A few years later the balance was swinging towards the basses.
6. in what types of bands have you played?
   I started off in a Blood Sweat and Tears type horn band, early 1970s. Boy did I learn from them how to listen to everyone in the band. They would NOT let me just listen to myself and I’m grateful forever to them for that.
   I was in a jazz-rock band that got well known around the biker bars in Fremont California. That was interesting considering the lead singer was a very good looking woman.
   I spent about 5 years in (if I may say so) the best wedding band in the SF Bay Area. Those were the disco days and hate it if you will, but the bass player always had fun parts.
   I got into a country band that I felt had a good shot of making it famous but the usual band politics interfered. From that, I had a good dose of what the music industry was like towards the higher levels and had no desire to go there again. I’ve since been very happy in the club scene, thank you.
   I played in country western clubs for some years, and made a lot of friends there. It was during this time that I started switching to being a keyboard player, a real rock and roller type. Jerry Lee Lewis, stand aside. I got into an Elvis Presley imitation band. I hear you laughing, but it was the best band I’d ever been in. You have to be SHARP to play that 1970s Las Vegas stuff. He had top musicians and so we had to be tops too.
   After moving from California to Hawaii, I’ve been playing both bass and keyboards. The musicians here on the big island are very friendly, different than Calfornia. I got right into recording heavily here for local bands and love that. I was in a dance band here on bass for about 7 years. That was big fun.
   Then I got into ANOTHER Elvis band here. It was going great for a while but politics got in the way as usual.
   Right now I’m the keyboard/bass/guitarist in a band that is finishing up an album of songs written by the lead singer and me.
7. in what types of bands have you sung and played?
   Just about all of those bands. Excepting, of course, the Elvis band where I did sing but it was those cool background vocals.
8. which song posed the greatest difficulty for you to sing and play, and why?
   Let’s see……We Gotta Get Out of this Place because the bass is SO different than the vocal. Addicted to Love, same thing….Those were difficult, but I would guess that The Story In Your Eyes by the Moody Blues was the most difficult. John Lodge played bass on that and since Justin Hayward sang it, he could make up a killer bass line. Playing that line caused you to run around the neck in a wild fashion but the vocal has to be soothing, with expression.
   If you listen to the vocals, he slides into most of his notes. The bass part is not “slud”. I was always a bit proud doing that song but I doubt if anybody noticed the absolute difficulty of it. I’d even announce it saying “This song is a BITCH to play and sing” and who cares?

Anything Else?

1. Bass players are generally background musicians on stage. But, I suggest that every time you play, do your best and be sharp. Let your musical spirit shine every time on every song. You may be “just the bass player” but you never know who is watching you. It might be a guy or a friend of a person who is at the next level up and is looking for a bass player…or will remember you down the road.
2. Never look at the audience like they’re a bunch of assholes because they’ll be able to tell. A lead singer I played with gave me great advice many years ago. I asked him how he stayed so UP when there were just a few people there watching. He said he always acts like there are thousands in the room. “Thank you thank you!” he would say even as we were finishing a song. We would end up having a party and the few people would usually stay and have a good time with us. What a great piece of advice that has been through the years.
   The counter to this is, have you ever gone and seen a band and you immediately got the feeling that the musicians felt like they were above it all. That they were cool and you all were fools? You remember that stuff with a sneer and tell other people about it and so will your audience.
3. Never play drunk or stoned. If you already follow this rule, then no need to read further. If not, I know you’re arguing about this you bastards. But I’m asking you, PLEASE don’t get into that habit. What? It’s too late? Stop now. Said with gut wrenching emphasis: How many good musicians have I seen who ruined a good career because they felt they could play better after a few drinks? One night a guitar player came into the club and started drinking straight shots. During the first set he fell over his amplifier and went into the bathroom, sat on the toilet and puked into his underwear. We dressed that unconsioucs jerk and put him in his car. He told me the next week he woke up about three AM, underwear caked with the stuff and had to drive home. That story sucks but it could be you my friend. And there is nothing worse than playing with people who smoke pot. They’re real good the first set, go get stoned and then they just think they’re good. Pot smoking/lousy perception of one’s own playing has been known for years. Gene Krupa learned it. Max Geldray learned it.
   I really hope there’s someone who reads this and decides to knock that crap off. I’d be able to die happy.

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Mike Watt is a Singing-Bassist who played in/with The Minutemen, fiREHOSE, Porno for Pyros, and plenty of Projects.

Here are some of my favorite anecdotes from my conversation with Mike Watt, which you can find here in the subscriber’s section:

If the bass-player knows the song well enough, then any musician can jump in.

Most people look at the tiles in a bathroom, but I look at the grout. That’s the role of the bass-player, like the grout, he holds it all together.

A bass-player leads by promoting and supporting his own band-members.

(Woodshedding as a singing-bassist) is like skateboard school. You stumble and stumble until you get it right.

Both the singing and the playing can’t be in the ‘wonder’ or the ‘dream’ or the consciousness or the decision-making part of the brain, it has to go right into the hardware. It has to be hardwired.

We’re all really jealous of the drummer, (because he’s in true control), and so we make fun of him, put him way in the back. I’ve stopped that, I put my drummers way up front now.

A bassist-songwriter who writes on a bass-guitar outlines a song enough to give the rest of the band enough room to be all the guitar they can be, be all the drums they can be.

The bass-player has a lot of power because he’s little bit of drummer, a little bit of guitar, a lot about mystery.”

I like to record with full-scale basses and perform on 3/4 scale basses.

In performance, eye-contact is very important for us. I have the organ-guitar player across from me, the drummer is 30-40 degrees to my left, and I am angled in towards them. I like the way it looks like a prac more. That way, we only need to have the vocals in the monitors.

Keeping time during pauses is the hardest thing to keeping a groove.

Do You Find Yourself Glaring at the Fretboard, Because The Bass-Line you’re playing has a humongous Slide of Five or even more Frets?

The Bass-Aid, an adjustable Fretboard Anchor, can help you play these Slides without looking at the Guitar, an Essential Aspect to Playing Bass while Singing.

In my quest for not looking at the fretboard when I play bass-guitar, I have devised a fabric devise which is sturdy enough to withstand sliding yet movable and reversible (unlike a notch in the neck of the bass-guitar).

The Bass-Aid wraps around the neck of a guitar, underneath the strings, at a fret location of the bassist’s choosing. It is tightly wound around the neck to be sturdily affixed to that fret-location. Like a driver can feel when his car goes over a speed-bump without seeing the bump, a bass-player can feel when his hand is at a certain fret because the bass-aid slightly protrudes out the back.

Are you tired of needing to look at your Bass-Guitar while playing?

Tired of making too many boo-boos on the Fretboard?

Then get yourself a Bass-Aid!

Some further food for thought:

• Bass-Aid is only usable on Fretted Bass-Guitars.
• the prototype is designed for Fender Precision Bass Guitar necks
• For use beyond Fret number 6.
• I found that frets 1-4 are within reach of a stationary hand, and that fret number 5 is generally reachable by playing the next thinner string.

If you would like to try out a Bass-Aid, then please get in contact.

To view the video (40 minutes) of the interview with Steve Kilbey of The Church, please view it in the Subscribers Section.

Keep looking in simplicity …. I think the secret … for a bass-playing singer songwriter, is that the song is the most important thing, then the singing, and then the bass playing, and yet paradoxically, the bass playing is the foundation that holds the whole thing up. It’s a good position to be in, a singing-bassist, because you are at the very top end and you’re right at the bottom as well. So it’s as if you’re working on the roof and you’re working on the drains, and everything in between. So I think being a singing songwriting bass player is definitely a good place to get in the band, especially if you have some ideas that you kind of want to impose on some other players, I definitely think being a singing songwriter bass player is a good place to come from and quite a position of power.
-Steve Kilbey

I recently had the chance to interview Steve Kilbey, the bassist and vocalist of the Australian Rock Band The Church. Fourty-Four of his Answers about Singing, Playing Bass, band-formation, band-evolution, and a little about songwriting, all of which are included in the video. Here are some highlights:

Song-Construction

Steve Kilbey gives the impression in this interview that he does not get caught up in the geeky trappings of large home-recording setups – he prefers Garage Band – or of large equipment – he performs without an amplifier. Instead, he focuses his energy on song-writing, or “song-construction” as he calls it. He likens his song-creation process, and his process of learning to perform his songs as a singing-bassist, to the use of aggregate creative tools such as iMovie or Garage Band, and characterizes his song-creation process as a jam, either with music from The Church or with music from himself.

Performance Schizophrenia

Steve’s description of performing as a singing-bassist is one of an uneasy co-existence between the inner bass-guitarist with the inner vocalist. The inner bassist and the inner-vocalist must be constantly restrained from communicating or meddling with one-another, because they will otherwise “ruin everything”. For Steve, learning to perform certain songs is akin to learning a new language, and it requires abandoning natural instinct and forging new neural pathways.

Marking the neck of the bass for vision-free fretboard-sliding

Reacting to a suggestion made in one of the interview questions, Steve ponders notching his bass-neck at the octave-mark to coordinate his sliding. To be followed up!

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Steve was kind enough to share about an hour of his time and about an acre of his patience, as our conversation narrowly avoided being thwarted by connection-difficulties on several occasions. The fascinating conversation covered topics from bass-guitar types to Yoga as fitness training for musicians. If you are a Singer-Songwriter considering picking up the bass as your instrument of mass-creation, or are a big fan of The Church, then you are advised to subscribe to singingbassist.com, and proceed to the subscribers-section to watch the full interview with Steve Kilbey.

Here are some concert videos of the church from this year and from twenty years ago:

The second conversation between Spacehog’s Royston Langdon and The Singing Bassist was a better match in terms of Skype Connectivity and accommodating Time-Zone Difference.

This interview was recorded on June 25, 2009.

Singing Bassist: Tell us about your recording setup at home.
Royston Langdon: I use Logic. I just use my laptop,. I have a mic-pre and a compressor. I don’t do anything seriously at home, but sometimes things come out pretty well and I end up using bits and bobs end up on the final recording. This time Richard has come in with quite a few things, little demos, and bits and bobs which we might use.

SB: Do you ever play on a fretless bass?
RL: I don’t have a fretless bass, I remember going into the music stores, and trying them out, I never really got my head around them, as a kid, they always seemed interesting, in some ways because you can slide around, but no, I don’t think so, it’s kind of weird, never came across the need to do it. I played the double bass recently, also fretless, which was enjoyable. My brother Antony took up the double-bass for a while, while we were at school, so I remember having one for a while, its obviously a very impractical instrument, being very large, can’t even fit it into a taxi in NY.

SB: When did you first start playing bass in a band setting?
RL: In NY when we used to live on 2nd avenue in my friend’s place. I seem to remember playing one at his house. We had some of our first rehearsals in the apartment, that my brother and myself and Bob, who was the original guitar player, used to live in, and Johnny would come over, then it became a bit difficult because it was a bit loud. so we had to knock that on the head. That was first time I remember picking up the bass, in that room, and it was literally like everything else with Ant and I, I think i tried to get him to do it for a while and he wasn’t backing down he wanted to play the guitar, and that was that. It made sense that I did it.

SB: Was it always clear that you would be singing, at first rehearsals?
RL: I don’t sing all the songs in Spacehog, my brother sings some too. But yeah, I didn’t really have a problem with that. It was something I had to practice. It took a while to get my head around, but it became quite fun, trying to figure it out.

SB: What techniques would you use for practicing that? Did you intensely use a metronome?
RL: I didn’t really, we used to practice together, I’ve never really practiced my own on my bass, I like to feel it a bit more than that. And also the drums, the drummer, the way he was playing, back then, when I first started, was really important to how I ended up playing the bass guitar.

SB: In which way?
RL: I think before I met johnny and started to play with Johnny, I hadn’t really played with anybody who was any good really, to that extent, I found it quite inspiring to have that, and obviously the bass and the drums go together, usually, often, in the standard format of playing a rock and roll song anyway they do, so that was kind of crucial for me.

SB: I’ve always wondered about the alone part of practicing bass and singing, because if you want to start a band, and you’re not known already, then you have to already have a level which you can show to other musicians, and if you can’t play bass and sing at the same time then you’re stuck.
RL: I think its just practice man really. like anything else, I think if there’s a will and a desire to do it then you’ll find a way, whatever that is. You know, I did play the guitar before I played the bass, its the same four strings, in some ways it seemed easier, you didn’t have to worry about chords and all of that, anyway. I never really thought about it that much, once we got the band going, that was my role, I suppose, and I enjoy it, I really enjoy the challenge of trying to keep it interesting, keeping it weird.

SB: How do you introduce demos into the band setting?
RL: Quite often i bring in demos, the basis for the song’s there, i can do whatever i want to it in order to make it feel how i want to make it feel. But really I think, when we record now, with the band, we’re just looking for the feeling of what the song;s trying to put across, more than anything. So it can certainly help having a demo, i guess, but there again there’s also something nice about leaving that bit open, and capturing it, if you’re lucky, when you’re recording, sometimes it takes a while, certainly for us because we don’t always get it right, we know when we don’t get it right and we have to do it again.

SB: Why do you play the bass with your hand so far down near the bridge?
RL: On the rickenbacher if you play above where the metal pickguard thing is, the strings are really a lot looser, and not quite as active as they are back down by the bridge there, and thus the combination of the two, and also i can control how long i want the note to last, with this part of my hand (motions to the Hypothenar Muscles of his left hand), because its really important to leave some air in there, that’s what that enables me to do, and i think its a better groove, that’s really what we’re usually looking for, i suppose, if its a song with drums in it, and a beat. to be honest i never really think about it, i’m really intrigued, its a really great thing you’re doing, i really wish you all the best of luck, but until you contacted me, nobody’s really ever asked me, i think i did one interview for a bass magazine, “bass guitar weekly” or “monthly” or something, but apart from that, nobody’s ever really asked me about it, really, the whole thing of singing and playing at the same time, and if i did think about it, probably too much, i probably wouldn’t be able to do it.

SB: Do you consider it more difficult to sing and play with your fingers than play with a pick?
RL: No, but again its a different thing, and its probably a little bit trickier for me, because, as I said, I can do it now, because its usually about the sound, the frequency and the sound of the bass, its so important, its such an emotive frequency, the low-end, without people even being aware of it often, but all of the great bands that I’ve seen, and still see, its a really important part of it for me.

SB: Do you have any recommendations for songwriters who want to take up the bass, but don’t know where to start, or do you have any recommendations for bass-players who are challenged by the notion of singing while playing bass?
RL: Don’t give up, never give in. Take it simple to start with, is the key, and often, the greatest bass-lines are some of the simplest ones, certainly like “walking on the moon” by the Police. Its pretty straightforward, and you listen to the song and what he’s singing, the tune over the top, its great, and its not very difficult, most bass-players and singers could probably do that. its a little bit of coordination. And for me, dividing up the words and tune, the structure and the phrase of the melody, in my mind, the way i do it, is to think of where they meet, all the points where they meet together, in harmony, and if you break it down in each beat and bar, its not too difficult. Funnily enough I think, with something like “Walking on the Moon”, the great thing is the way the tune and the bass work together, its just incredible, and its not a lot, but it is the whole song! Its not complicated, for me its never about that, although I do have great regard for people like Flea who can play (complicated slap bass), its brilliant, I think its great, I don’t know how he does it, its great. But again, it depends on what you want to do, on what you want to achieve, in the songwriting, in your bass-playing and in your singing. For me its always been about putting the idea across, when it comes to a song, the feeling and the idea of the song is really what I am trying to emote, I am not really thinking about the intricacies of what I’ve got to play. (I am thinking about the intracacies of what i’ve got) to sing, to a certain extent, because my voice can only do certain things, and I think also the way that my voice works in relation to not just the bass but every instrument.

SB: Do you have any plans for playing in mainland europe in the next year or two?
RL: Yeah, we’re getting a few offers here and there to play in this country, we don’t want to do anything too soon, because we’re still figuring it out. We want to do this thing right, rather than just do the same thing again. It’s very difficult to not repeat yourself. And at the same time we don’t want to get away too much from what the band, and we can’t, because we’re the same people, but we’ve been through a lot, mutually and collectively, and we’ve come to this place which is definitely a lot deeper than where we were when we were younger. Because of that there is more of a sense of wanting to get it right, we have to be honest with ourselves, which is not always easy, its sometimes difficult and painful, but it is also joyous, when we figure out, roughly where we’re going, in terms of this record, we will start to play some shows and start to get some of the music out again, which is what we’ve already done here in LA. I think we’re going to do a show in New York, and maybe a bunch of shows up and down the eastern seaboard, and then do the same thing here on the west coast, and then see what happens as far as England goes, and Europe. We have to have a reason to play, something new to put out there, we want to get it right. I really feel great about everything we’ve done, especially the first two records, which are really good today, still. I’m really keen to give this record the best shot that we can, and take it from there, see what happens after that. This is where we’re at right now. Its important not to get ahead of ourselves. Its going really well, I think. We’re well on course, we probably have about a third of the music we need, so we’re doing pretty good.

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credit: hoyasmeg	credit: Nirazilla Like all “lead-guitarists” during a guitar-solo, the guitarist of The Roots romances his fretboard and consequently ignores the audience.
The Singing-Bassist plays without looking at the guitar.

One of the largest impediments to playing bass while singing is the necessity to slide large distances on the fretboard, while looking at the crowd and not at the guitar. If the singing-bassist stares at the bass-guitar, he/she is no longer a lead-singer, but a mere bass-guitarist. Visually ignoring the bass-guitar can lead to mistakes. The singing-bassist is faced with a choice:

• either look at the bass-guitar to land on the correct position and ignore the crowd and potentially not sing into the microphone, or
• not look at the bass-guitar and potentially land on an incorrect position, needing to rectify and look at the bass-guitar!

Fretboard-landing a very frustrating reality for singing-bassists, especially when one realizes that the key to singing while playing bass is to transfer bass-playing skills from the conscious thinking brain to the fingers. (Some people mention transferring skills from the neo-cortex brain to the limbic brain but this explanation loses itself in academic abstraction).
Can the back of the neck of the bass-guitar be textured to give quick indications to the singing-bassist of the fret where the fretboard-hand is? A static haptic perceptive device, like the Braille-reading system for the visually impaired, installed on the back of the bass-guitar’s neck, could be the answer to the singing-bassist’s woe. This system could also assist visually impaired musicians to play any guitar. First, we must observe where installing this system would be most effective, and second, what would this system consist of.

A typical fret-hand position. We see here that the guitar-neck is supported by the major knuckle of the index-finger, as well as by the thumb, which leers out over the top of the fretboard.
These are the contact surfaces, in the image on the left are those on the hand, in the image on the right are those on the neck of the guitar. The surfaces on the guitar’s neck are those available for a haptic system of communicating the fretboard position to the guitarist in a non-visual way.

The open questions are the following:

• Are the small contact surfaces on the hand, the ridge of the thumb and the major knuckle of the index finger, are they sensitive enough, or can they be sensitized enough, to collect information about fretboard position on their own? (”The hand is now at the 12th fret of the guitar…”).
• Can this information be retrieved and transmitted quickly? For instance, for a song whose tempo is 180 beats per minute, the information must be retrieved, transmitted and processed in (60seconds/180beats=) 0.33 seconds. Braille reading speeds can attain 200-400 words per minute. Assuming an average word length in English of five-letters, this implies that Braille readers can obtain 1000 letters per minute.
• Mitigating factors in Braille reading speed include plasticized surfaces and heavy contact, both features of the contact between the fretboard-hand and the guitar-neck. So we can expect that non-visual fretboard-position recognition speed will be less than 1000 notes per minute. But how much slower?
• Are indentations or raised-relief marks more effective for tactile recognition?
• What is the best way to mark wood for tactile recognition?
• Is the fret-spacing lengthwise on the guitar neck too compact to achieve granularity in the perception of location, or high-resolution in the positioning?

Correlating touch and location has been investigated by Dr. Lederman at Queen’s University in Ontario, Canada.

It may be that sufficient tactile fretboard positioning can be achieved by simply notching the back of the guitar neck at one-place, at the octave-position for instance. But a more elaborate notching system may indeed increase visual independence and ease playing bass while singing. The superlative tactile positioning system would be so intuitive and comfortable that the singing-bassist starts “playing blindly” with no other coaxing or goading or training.

Check out the Bass-Aid as a prototype Haptic Location Device.